topic Re: BDP-S7200 outputting 4k???? in Home Cinema, Projectors & Players

BDP-S7200 outputting 4k????

smiffy2 — Sun, 13 Dec 2015 15:27:33 GMT

Hi there

I don't know if anyone can help but I have the above mentioned Blu ray player connected to my KD-49X8309C television via an HT-CT380 sound bar.

I have set the output on my player to "Auto 2" which, according to the instruction manual (and the on screen prompt), should mean I am outputting everything at 4k.

When I play a Blu ray disc, and press the info button on my player, it is indicating 4k in the top left hand corner of the screen, (which it wasn't doing when I had the player just set to "Auto"), but I am not noticing any difference at all with regards picture quality on the television as to how it was when indicating 1080p.

Are they any other adjustments that I should be making please?

Many thanks in advance for any pointers you can give me.

Rob

Re: BDP-S7200 outputting 4k????

Anonymous — Sun, 13 Dec 2015 18:04:19 GMT

Hi there

There are currently no 4K players or physical media on the market as of yet (expected announcements at CES 2016). This player 'upscales' 1080p content to 4K TVs. So not 4K in the true sense.

Cheers

Re: BDP-S7200 outputting 4k????

smiffy2 — Mon, 14 Dec 2015 00:57:48 GMT

Thanks for the response Quinnicus.

Whilst I appreciate that it's not going to be 4k in the truest sense, should there be a discernible difference between an upscaled 4k picture and a "standard" 1080p one though?

As I say, I cannot notice any difference at all with the picture I am now getting compared to my previous LG player and cheap(ish) Samsung TV.

The only 4k I have watched are bits and pieces on YouTube (I don't have Netflix or Amazon Prime) and the difference is night and day....absolutely awesome.

I'm just a little disappointed that I don't appear to have gained anything from getting the new player over and above my old LG system.

Am I expecting too much???

Re: BDP-S7200 outputting 4k????

Anonymous — Mon, 14 Dec 2015 01:19:48 GMT

Im a bit biased in my opinion to be honest. However its all about screen size and viewing distance is where 4k is concerned. The larger the tv and the closer you sit is where you will really notice the difference in 4K and even the upscaling. But it also depends on the source - if its a poor 1080p source, the upscaling will magnify the imperfections. However, in general Sonys upscaling on poor 1080p sources is better than the competition as it does have a very good processing capabilities due to the X1 processor of Sonys

4K will come into its own when true 4K content comes out, and a HDR standard agreed.

This article may explain things better:

http://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/4k-ultra-hd-uhd-vs-1080p-full-hd-tvs-and-upscaling-compared

Re: BDP-S7200 outputting 4k????

smiffy2 — Tue, 15 Dec 2015 07:45:35 GMT

That's brilliant Quinnicus and very much appreciated.

Just have to wait for the 4k discs to start rolling out, although I'll need another player. Not going to be cheap are they?

Thanks again

Rob

Re: BDP-S7200 outputting 4k????

MK_Slinky — Wed, 16 Dec 2015 02:03:50 GMT

@Anonymous

Forgive me if I've got the wrong end of the stick (it's late and I'm tired) but I saw some 4K movies only the other day. A quick search on Amazon also reveals several Mastered in 4K Blu-ray movies.

See this link: Mastered in 4K Movies

Re: BDP-S7200 outputting 4k????

Anonymous — Wed, 16 Dec 2015 02:11:57 GMT

Hey there @MK_Slinky

Mastered in 4K is simply a marketing term. The original source is from a 4K resolution or greater, but its still a 1080p video.

Ill find a link that explains it

Edit:

http://www.ultrahdtv.net/articles/mastered-in-4k/

http://www.trustedreviews.com/opinions/what-is-mastered-in-4k-and-does-it-make-a-difference

http://www.cnet.com/uk/news/sony-mastered-in-4k-blu-rays-a-mixed-blessing/

Re: BDP-S7200 outputting 4k????

MK_Slinky — Wed, 16 Dec 2015 02:09:16 GMT

Spoil sport!

I was feeling quite smug with myself but now I'm more confused than usual, LOL!!!

Re: BDP-S7200 outputting 4k????

Anonymous — Wed, 16 Dec 2015 02:18:03 GMT

Sony's explaination. Just remember you also need the tv too

https://us.en.kb.sony.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/43225/~/what-does-it-mean-when-a-blu-ray-disc-movie-is-mastered-in-4k%3F

Re: BDP-S7200 outputting 4k????

MK_Slinky — Wed, 16 Dec 2015 02:23:25 GMT

Thanks chap!

I see we use the same sources for our material, I just read the one on CNet. It looks like I made the same mistake discussed in their article then. Yes I can see this will cause plenty of confusion.

So in summary 4K is soley a resolution thing. Maybe that's why the other member said the YouTube content was clearer? I know from my own experience that my computer monitor is higher resolution than my TV.

Re: BDP-S7200 outputting 4k????

MK_Slinky — Wed, 16 Dec 2015 02:33:45 GMT

Now I am confused! That screenshot of Spiderman is exactly the same as the one being offered by Amazon!

Also I notice when zooming in on your screenshot it also states 1080p

Here's Amazon's, I see no difference!

Re: BDP-S7200 outputting 4k????

Anonymous — Wed, 16 Dec 2015 02:35:44 GMT

MK_Slinky wrote:
So in summary 4K is soley a resolution thing.

Yes and no

4K is purely resolution, but.... And heres the kicker, when true content comes out, it will not JUST be about resolution. A wider colour gamut in terms of HDR and next gen audio "immersive". This will be all packaged under 4K.

See:

http://www.engadget.com/2015/11/10/sony-4k-ultra-hd-blu-ray-2016/

"Sony Pictures' releases will also support high dynamic range (HDR) and "next-gen immersive audio formats" to further enhance the experience."

And thats the next gen selling point. To be frank - im excited about it all! 4K the way it should have been right from the go.

Next, YouTube/Netflux content. Yes its in 4K resolution, and yes they have 'some' hdr content coming out, but.... It is compressed to hell (well quite a lot) with limited bitrate to work on many on home broadband/fibre connections - 15Mbps

Re: BDP-S7200 outputting 4k????

Anonymous — Wed, 16 Dec 2015 02:38:16 GMT

In regards to screenshots you posted, you mentioned your confused? Can you tell me what your confused about and ill try to unconfuse you (if thats a word)

Re: BDP-S7200 outputting 4k????

MK_Slinky — Wed, 16 Dec 2015 03:07:49 GMT

Confused is an understatement!

If that box shot of the Spiderman movie is Sony's example of the newer super-dooper 4K movie then Sony have dropped a massive boob!! That image clearly shows that movie as being 1080p also, not the super-dooper high resolution it's supposed to be.

Now even Sony is confused!

Re: BDP-S7200 outputting 4k????

Anonymous — Wed, 16 Dec 2015 03:14:59 GMT

As we discussed off forums, Mastered in 4K is still a 1080p bluray disc. IfSony claimed otherwise, it would be false, hence the 1080p stated.

Its NOT 4K!

Re: BDP-S7200 outputting 4k????

MK_Slinky — Wed, 16 Dec 2015 03:30:05 GMT

OK, so Mastered in 4K basically means that it's not true 4K but it's the next best thing as it can be upscaled to look like 4K?

So it's sort of 'pretend 4K' or in other words as you put it.., "it's just marketing hype" to fool those of us who lack a proper understanding.

Yes I can see plenty of people being fooled by that one.

I hate 4K already, it gave me a headache!!

EDIT:

So we have True HD on Blu-ray discs so maybe it will follow that when Sony releases a genuine 4K movie it will state something similar, i.e. 'True 4K' ?? That would make more sense and avoid any confusion.

Re: BDP-S7200 outputting 4k????

Anonymous — Wed, 16 Dec 2015 03:41:28 GMT

Now you got it

Re: BDP-S7200 outputting 4k????

MK_Slinky — Wed, 16 Dec 2015 03:49:03 GMT

Praise the lord!!!!!!!!!!!!

What no kudos? Send it to me in the post if you like along with that Christmas card you forgot to send me!!

Just kiding

BTW, I was going to send you some money in card but I'd already sealed the envelope.

Re: BDP-S7200 outputting 4k????

smiffy2 — Sat, 19 Dec 2015 07:15:12 GMT

After reading a couple of reviews of my BDP-S7200 player, I have decided to let it do the upscaling (not sure whether the Auto2 setting on the player would "overide" the upscaling that the panel does though?)

I quote....

"The most compelling reason to invest in the BDP-S7200 is its AV performance. It does a terrific job maximizing detail and burnishing bits - and if you plan to use it with a 4K screen then there's even more to be excited about. The upscaler in this deck actually outperforms what we've seen built into Sony's 4K UHD screens – and that's saying something! It's also built for speed, loading BDs faster than an Amazon delivery truck".

Any thoughts Quinnicus?

I watched "Ghost Protocol" yesterday and the opening scenes were absolutely breathtaking.

Re: BDP-S7200 outputting 4k blu ray discs eg;San Andreas

oriana62 — Sat, 14 May 2016 08:11:51 GMT

Get 'cannot play this disc' message for latest release 4k discs eg; San Andeas,Kingsman ????