topic Re: FDR AX 33 - panning in Camcorders

FDR AX 33 - panning

Ljoms12345 — Wed, 26 Aug 2015 13:56:57 GMT

I am new here, got a Sony FDR AX33 (4k) this summer. I have a question. When i am panning with 4k it "judding" /"choppy"...even when moving the cam very slow. Does anyone else have the same experience, is it normal? It does not happen when i use only in Full HD.

Re: FDR AX 33 - panning

davruse — Mon, 14 Sep 2015 19:24:33 GMT

i have exactly the same problem - have you found an answer?

Re: FDR AX 33 - panning

bigdaddyg — Thu, 17 Sep 2015 21:48:32 GMT

Dont know if you have recieved an answer ot not to this, sorry if you have but i for some reason can not scoll down and see the replies

Simply the Boss stabilier system only works in resolution below 4k, so it will be smooth on every thing else lower than this, if you wish to use 4k resolution for the panning then you would need a tripod ot something similat to reduce the shake

Re: FDR AX 33 - panning

Jonnie1266 — Fri, 18 Sep 2015 13:29:38 GMT

Hi all,

How bad is the judder / shakiness of the 4K footage ? Does it make it unwatchable unless all filming is carried out via a tripod ?

bigdaddyg, how did you find out that the BOSS is only active for resolutions less than 4K ?

So not only do we lose out on 5.1ch audio at 4K but also on stabilisation. If this is all so, surely it renders the product unsuitable for 4K use ?

I 'm thinking it is going to be a few models on before I get the 4K unit

Re: FDR AX 33 - panning

Ljoms12345 — Fri, 18 Sep 2015 19:54:13 GMT

Hi, I am using the tripod when panning, still judder, so as far as i understand this is not about shaking. i have not found the solution, planning to bring it to the dealer and ask what this is all about.

Re: FDR AX 33 - panning

Ljoms12345 — Fri, 18 Sep 2015 19:55:26 GMT

nope, planning to bring it to the dealer

Re: FDR AX 33 - panning

Jonnie1266 — Sat, 19 Sep 2015 07:16:47 GMT

Hi again,

Could you update this thread after you have been to the dealer please ? I wonder if you have a defective camera.

Regards

Re: FDR AX 33 - panning

Ljoms12345 — Sat, 19 Sep 2015 10:55:38 GMT

Hi, uploaded a sample on youtube, look and comment please...is this wrong or am i doing something wrong. It is recorded K4 and default settings, using tripod. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkFejXS-MjI

Re: FDR AX 33 - panning

Jonnie1266 — Sat, 19 Sep 2015 11:07:09 GMT

I see what you mean, I can only imagine what the result would be following something moving more quickly and without a tripod. It's as if the camera processor cannot keep up with the image detail - okay for stills then !

I am afraid I am not an expert here, just an interested party as I am in the market for a 4K camcorder. Perhaps other users of this model can enlighten ?

Regards

Re: FDR AX 33 - panning

Ljoms12345 — Wed, 11 Nov 2015 12:26:51 GMT

Just delivered to Sony Service now. They agreed that it does not look good, i guess i will have the answer in a couple of days and hopefully fixed!

Re: FDR AX 33 - panning

Jonnie1266 — Wed, 11 Nov 2015 14:26:07 GMT

Excellent news Although has not been the best time for you

Please let us know how it "pans" out - pardon the pun

Regards

Re: FDR AX 33 - panning

Ljoms12345 — Sun, 13 Dec 2015 13:56:00 GMT

Got it back and they say it is nothing wrong with it. In my opinion the camera is then of limited value if you are to shoot in 4K mode. I realised one other intresting thing. Some of the AX33 shoot 30 frames per second in 4K, bud mine does only 25 frames per second. So, there is actual two different specs on these cameras....cannot say i am very impressed by that! Do anyone know about SW updates...please let me know.

Re: FDR AX 33 - panning

davruse — Mon, 14 Dec 2015 09:54:53 GMT

4K video only seems to work with panning if the camera is handheld - on a tripod it is very jerky. David

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Re: FDR AX 33 - panning

Ljoms12345 — Fri, 18 Dec 2015 09:19:14 GMT

why is that so?

Re: FDR AX 33 - panning

davruse — Fri, 18 Dec 2015 09:46:28 GMT

I think the stabiliser works better when handheld and reduces the jerkyness / flickering on vertical lines. I have also found that when playing back direct onto my 4k TV the video is far more stable but degrades when copied to bluray or dvd. I now use the 4k setting for static video i.e. no left or right movement and then switch to 1080p 50fps for everything else - even on a 4k TV I cannot tell the difference in quality between the 2 modes.

Re: FDR AX 33 - panning

Jonnie1266 — Wed, 30 Dec 2015 22:45:45 GMT

@Ljoms12345

Hi again,

There is some interesting content on this thread on AVS forum regarding the panning (in 4K) and other comparisons for both the AX100 and AX33 camcorders. There is actually a mention on the last post regarding 30fps frame rate on an AX33 ??

I am still living in hope that the next 4K model will surpass these issues - oh, and have 5.1ch surround for 4K footage.

Your continued updates have been helpful, it is a pity that it has not been helpful for you. I guess faster processors / memory cards will appear eventually and allow for faster image to camera content ? It begs the question how well does the Sony 4K "action" cam perform then ?

Regards

Re: FDR AX 33 - panning

Ljoms12345 — Sun, 03 Jan 2016 12:46:46 GMT

Thanx, learned a lot there.