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Sony use your BEST SENSORS on your own phones

Gilgameshuk — Sun, 23 Feb 2020 20:38:05 GMT

SONY Xperia 1 MK II info has been leaked

THE P40 PRO has Sony's best sensor that bins 16 pixels into 1 a 64mp camera and what do Sony phones get? STANDARD 12MP with OUTDATED and lower grade XMOR sensors? It seems SONY doesnt REALLY WANT TO sell its own phones.

Specs have been leaked:

Sony will unveil its next flagship tomorrow and the phone's technical spec sheet has surfaced, revealing a device that competes against the Samsung Galaxy S20+ without necessarily losing. Major talking points include the return of a 3.5mm headphone jack, the same main camera sensor as the Galaxy S20 and S20+, 3x optical zoom, and a 4000 mAh battery.

After months of rumors, Sony will finally unveil its new flagship at an event tomorrow. The device will succeed last year's Xperia 1. While one would expect it to be called the Xperia 2, Sony has opted to egregiously name it "Xperia 1 II". Name aside, however, the flagship does look excellent.

Here's a rundown of the phone's spect sheet, going by popular leakster Max Weinbach's Twitter post.

6.5-inch 21:9 4K OLED display
Motion Blur Reduction (90 Hz equivalent)
8 GB of RAM, 256 GB of storage
Snapdragon 865
5G, sub 6, no mmWave
24mm 1/1.7" 12 MP Dual-PD AF OIS
16mm 12 MP 1/2.6" Dual-PD AF
70mm 12 MP 1/3.4" PDAF OIS
8 MP selfie camera
3.5mm headphone jack
IP65/68
4000 mAH battery

Here are some major takeaways from that technical spec sheet.

The 21:9 4K OLED display format that debuted on the Xperia 1 makes a re-appearance
Sony finally reintroduces the 3.5mm headphone jack after ditching it on the Xperia XZ2 phones two years ago
The panel itself doesn't appear to be a 90Hz one, but Sony is implementing a supposedly equivalent technology
The telephoto lens jumps to 3x optical zoom, from the Xperia 1's 2x zoom
This is actual zoom with a 70mm equivalent, unlike Samsung's shenanigans with the Galaxy S20 and S20+
According to Max Weinbach, the main 12 MP 1/1.7" sensor is the same one on the Galaxy S20 and S20+
There's no support for 4K video recording, since none of the three sensors meet the 33 MP resolution requirement
The Xperia 1 II sees a massive jump in battery size, going from 3300 mAh on last year's phone, to a 4000 mAh unit

Re: Sony use your BEST SENSORS on your own phones

Sony_UK — Sun, 23 Feb 2020 22:14:36 GMT

I'll be honest, it's not a major upgrade in terms of what is current on today's market and what is expected , the camera seems in my opinion a little disappointing mainly because at first it was rumoured to be a wide angle camera of 64 MP.

The added storage and ram is welxomed, not so surprising with the SOC, i' am surprised that it will, if true, not be able to support 4k video recording though.

They are welcomed, but what does this mean for mk 1 Xperia 1 users and the 'Sony Xperia' brand they brought into?

Will this mean better support for our devices now?

For me it isn't all about the hardware, the customer service and how well developed their software is makes a difference as well, I hope, and I really hope, any changes in software for the MKII is also applied to the first gen Xperia 1 as well. These are great phones but get ruined by the software niggles it has.

I learned one thing while being a programmer.

'' Hardware is only as good as the sortware made for it''.

Re: Sony use your BEST SENSORS on your own phones

Gilgameshuk — Sun, 23 Feb 2020 23:08:22 GMT

We wont know for certain until tomorrow at 07:30am
However if the xperia 1 CAN record at 4k as we all know (just lousy stability as OIS DOES NOT work over 1080p) and yet the MK2 CANNOT record video at 4k then nobody will buy the MK II AT ALL as then it would be a downgrade surely?
Personally i am getting PIG sick of SONY employees LAUGHING at us, outfitting their own phones with sub-par camera sensor ,whilst they reserve their best ones for other manufacturers phones.
Sony mobile customer service is even worse, they have no idea how to fix a phone or resolve your enquiries, as the representitives are LITERALLY reading from a script. In my opinion Sony mobile don't care about the consumer and they are literally laughing us 'mugs'
Incompotent and inept I would say
Edit: note that just like the xperia 1 only the wide angle lacks OIS... note: Let us translate SONY's "blurb" On the new phone the OIS will ONLY WORK on 1080P video recording, anything higher it will be more shakey than the legs of a 'Mad Cow', just like the original Xperia 1

Re: Sony use your BEST SENSORS on your own phones

Sony_UK — Mon, 24 Feb 2020 08:14:33 GMT

so it looks like the the sony xperia 1 mkii can record 4k 60 fps in the cinema pro app, this is very unfair for sony xperia 1 mk1 users by a long shot, our phones can more than enough handle it. lol it looks like instead of fixing our phones, they have try to resell these fixes.

Re: Sony use your BEST SENSORS on your own phones

Lord_viridis — Mon, 24 Feb 2020 08:21:56 GMT

"There's no support for 4K video recording, since none of the three sensors meet the 33 MP resolution requirement"

Dunno where that spec comes from, 4k is 8mp and common on 12mp phones for years

Re: Sony use your BEST SENSORS on your own phones

Sony_UK — Mon, 24 Feb 2020 08:26:41 GMT

It actually says on the Sony website where they have the Xperia m2 and Xperia Pro listed and if you look at video recording it has up to 60fps 4k.

This is actually a make or break deal for Xperia MK1 users they have to update the phones more so than ever otherwise this is something that we should start a petition to get Sony to either buy back devices Xperia 1 for what has been paid for or they should include some of the features inline with the upgraded Xperia 1's.

Especially the Snapdragon 855 as it should handle 4k HDR 60fps.

For a phone a barely year old this is highly unfair.

Re: Sony use your BEST SENSORS on your own phones

Gilgameshuk — Mon, 24 Feb 2020 13:49:28 GMT

Hey fella

That was on a leak

I didnt think we were allowed to post website links here and as such I just copied and pasted the content.

Re: Sony use your BEST SENSORS on your own phones

Gilgameshuk — Mon, 24 Feb 2020 13:50:34 GMT

I totally agree

A very generous part exchange allowance would be useful

Re: Sony use your BEST SENSORS on your own phones

Jon.Hidden-Coley — Mon, 24 Feb 2020 14:08:56 GMT

@Sony_F4N wrote:
so it looks like the the sony xperia 1 mkii can record 4k 60 fps in the cinema pro app, this is very unfair for sony xperia 1 mk1 users by a long shot, our phones can more than enough handle it. lol it looks like instead of fixing our phones, they have try to resell these fixes.

The lack of 4k 60fps has always been my No.1 gripe since getting my Xperia 1. Knowing that other brands had this feature, I expected the X1 to do the same. Could a firmware update give us 4k 60fps or is it all about hardware?

As much as I love my Xperia 1, I really wanted 4k 60fps, but I got my phone on a 3 year contract, so unless an update is possible, or I win the lottery, I'm stuck with what I have until 2022!

Re: Sony use your BEST SENSORS on your own phones

Gilgameshuk — Mon, 24 Feb 2020 14:18:57 GMT

Agreed buddy,

Even if its hardware surely we should get some sort of upgrade software wise, haflway between the features of the x1 andf the x1 mkii. like the PHOTO PRO app or at least a Cinema PRO that works with popular gimbals would be a good start?

Re: Sony use your BEST SENSORS on your own phones

Sony_UK — Mon, 24 Feb 2020 14:24:34 GMT

It is possible as the SD 855 which our phones run, are more than capable of running 4k HDR 60 fps, why Sony never implemented is another thing, but the hardware is there.

Re: Sony use your BEST SENSORS on your own phones

Sony_UK — Mon, 24 Feb 2020 14:42:07 GMT

I say fix the current bugs and add some of the features that should have been announced for the mk2, such as 4k HDR 60fps.

Again, the Snapdragon 855 should be capable of 4k 60fps, maybe not HDR as I thought first, I say this as on the Qualcomm website for the SD 845 it is capable of running 4k 60fps believe it or not and we have the 855.

Re: Sony use your BEST SENSORS on your own phones

Jon.Hidden-Coley — Mon, 24 Feb 2020 14:46:08 GMT

@GilgameshUK wrote:
Agreed buddy,
Even if its hardware surely we should get some sort of upgrade software wise, haflway between the features of the x1 andf the x1 mkii. like the PHOTO PRO app or at least a Cinema PRO that works with popular gimbals would be a good start?

Yeah, the Photo Pro app, I'd like that!

Re: Sony use your BEST SENSORS on your own phones

Jon.Hidden-Coley — Mon, 24 Feb 2020 14:54:57 GMT

@Sony_F4N wrote:
I say fix the current bugs and add some of the features that should have been announced for the mk2, such as 4k HDR 60fps.
Again, the Snapdragon 855 should be capable of 4k 60fps, maybe not HDR as I thought first, I say this as on the Qualcomm website for the SD 845 it is capable of running 4k 60fps believe it or not and we have the 855.

Could it be that Cinema Pro's Looks require HDR? It could be why there's no option to turn HDR off in Cinema Pro. Maybe SD855 just isn't quite up to the task?

Re: Sony use your BEST SENSORS on your own phones

Sony_UK — Mon, 24 Feb 2020 14:57:56 GMT

Then cinema pro may run at what it currently does 29.99 or so fps with HDR, but it is capable of running 4k 60fps (without HDR maybe, although reports from other websites suggest it is capable of running 4k HDR @ 60 fps)

Re: Sony use your BEST SENSORS on your own phones

Jon.Hidden-Coley — Mon, 24 Feb 2020 15:02:20 GMT

@Sony_F4N wrote:
Then cinema pro may run at what it currently does 29.99 or so fps with HDR, but it is capable of running 4k 60fps (without HDR maybe, although reports from other websites suggest it is capable of running 4k HDR @ 60 fps)

Well, fingers crossed, hopefully we get the option by the time the new Xperia is released.

Re: Sony use your BEST SENSORS on your own phones

Sony_UK — Tue, 25 Feb 2020 13:44:29 GMT

Apparently the snap dragon 865 can do 4k 120 fps and 8k @ 30 fps.

Re: Sony use your BEST SENSORS on your own phones

Jon.Hidden-Coley — Tue, 25 Feb 2020 14:13:27 GMT

And no recording limit at 960fps according to Qualcomm.

Re: Sony use your BEST SENSORS on your own phones

Gilgameshuk — Wed, 26 Feb 2020 21:01:25 GMT

Some interesting views

Oh if the new mk ii has a 50% larger main sensor then it should be brilliant for Astrophotography......... in theory.

Re: Sony use your BEST SENSORS on your own phones

pressefr — Fri, 28 Feb 2020 13:27:01 GMT

@Sony_F4N wrote:
Then cinema pro may run at what it currently does 29.99 or so fps with HDR, but it is capable of running 4k 60fps (without HDR maybe, although reports from other websites suggest it is capable of running 4k HDR @ 60 fps)
It seems that we do get 4K at 60fps, but we loose 1080p@960fps slow motion.
So, did Sony jusy remarket 120fps "burst mode" aka Timeshift Burst? They just gave it a fps count? I wonder what the UI will look like? Will it load faster? Will it be baked in or a mode app?